Comments on: Iron Man Finishes Shooting

By: Ethan

Ethan — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:00:25 +0000

I would consider some of those doubled like: The tragedies in pasts and parents dying (hello those were the same thing for both), and both being billionares and owning large corporations.
And Tony Stark’s tragedy did not shape him into Iron Man.
But seen as how neither of us are convincing the other than it would be smart for me to shut up too.
Farewell..

By: Seth Grimes

Seth Grimes — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:30:45 +0000

Ethan both heros use high tech weapons and gadgets to fight crime,both have had a large tradgety in their past that helped shape who they have become,both own huge corporations,both have no super powers,both lost their parents at an early age,and finally both happen to be billionairs.These are just a few of the many parallels that exist between Iron Man and Batman.However I realize that no amount of parallels will be enough to convince you,and you will always want more.So this will probably be my last post on this subject.

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:51:32 +0000

One great difference between both characters is that Tony Stark aka
Iron M an *BUILDS* his own gadgets whereas Bruce Wayne/Batman just BUYS
them or have them made. Why is it important ? Stark is a scientist and a
genius geek.
In the comics his school buddies are Richards from the FF of Bruce
“Hulk” banner : geeks only. Due to that fact, he has a very very
different take on life than Batman and that is what make both characters
different and enjoyable in their own comics/movie.
As for the trailer, I don’t trust these anymore: they got me with FF2,
they won’t get me again.

By: Ethan

Ethan — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:31:52 +0000

I tried my very hardest to beat you over the head YES.What I said about legions of fans was a broad and stupid thing to say yes, but hey like you say there are lots of Batman fans (that wasnt a taunt). I did say that Iron Man appeals to more people and that was a false statement also.
So let me just finalize my thoughts.
I beleive that the similarities between them were ther in the begining but not anymore. They existed then and not now, time goes by and things change. When things change it takes a long time right…so decades isn’t enough for you? I have comics of Iron Man and Batman abd my opinon is that things have jurasticly changed.
What my intent about Iron Man and Batman (in terms of the amount of readers) was that Iron Man has a greater VARIETY of fans then Batman. I said the wrong thing and by now I am only cleaning up my own mess. Batman has a great amount of publicity and fans but I think Iron Man is a more complicated character, with bits of reality in it so he appeals to people who are not just in it for the sweet ju jitsu and crazy inventions.
“The “IM’s a rip off of Batman” argument is an old one and both of their characters have definatley seperated from whatever you might argue. If you can’t see what a character really is through some first glance paralells then you are not a very tollerant person at all.” I stay by this statement 100%. I have developed this opinion through the comics I read. And you must realize that if you can’t get into someone becuase they remind you of one of your favorite superheroes IS just stubborn. If you delve deeper (like I always say) you might think otherwise. I do not need to keep on doing these long paragraphs to support an opinion, if you can only see me bashing you and not the ACTUAL things I state than I am wasting my time.
(Just out of curiosity what are some of the ways Iron Man is similair to Batman, since there are more than one. If you read this than please answer this question first)

By: Seth Grimes

Seth Grimes — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:15:07 +0000

Ethan,man,in that last post you really tried to beat me over the head with a lot of nonesense.First of all,I have never once claimed to have legions of people backing me.I may or may not be in the minority;It really makes no difference to me.I will still mantaine that Iron Man and Batman are alike in more ways than one.But,dude,if you want to discuss Iron Man and Batman than you sould be talking about Iron Man and Batman.So why don’t you stop talking about how small-minded and intolerant I am and actually discuss the issue.Iron Man DOES NOT appeal to more people.THE BAT has countless TV shows,video games,comics,and they’ve been making his films for years and years!!!!!But now that they’re coming out with an Iron Man film your gonna make empty claims like that.Batman is more popular than Iron Man ever has been!So far you have made many false claims about me for the sake of supporting your argument.I think your way out of line to go do that;especially considering that I havn’t tried to bash you yet.In fact I have given you far more respect than you have yet earned.Im only stating the facts and yet you excuse the Similarities between the two heroes by saying that they’ve changed.They havn’t changed.How could they?When the similarities exist,they exist.They don’t simply disappaer or change as easily as all that.This is truly an empty statment.And yet you must believe it otherwise your argument might seem weak.Oh………and by the way I have read up on Iron Man.Your saying that I didn’t was just another one of those empty statements that you seem to enjoy using.

By: Ethan

Ethan — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:27:25 +0000

I think the argument is childish, and I think people who argue it are only being intollerant. I say every post that “We all realize the similairities” and “I JUST admitted that they are there” so I have accepted that they were there.
I just don’t think everything is as black and white as you say.
And as for “but in the long run have the SIMILARITIES changed?Of course not” I do not think you know what you argue. The similarities HAVE in fact changed; Iron Man’s company is not as significant a thing as it used to be, he is now the director of SHIELD and has more important things to deal with than his own ambitions. You act as if I am totally wrong and do not know what I am talking about, you disagree and only show your opinion. Tell how (with evidence) these similarities have stayed the same.

Iron Man was a new and inventive hero that Marvel created, the ACTUAL knockoff (and the creators have admitted this) that Moon Knight was a Marvel version of Batman. They did their best to make him apeal to fans of Batman without totally ripping him off, now you are saying that someone who has similarities to Batman was the REAL rippoff. That would be a broad statement.
As for “do we really need an Iron Man” I say yes, we do. Iron Man has (as I always state) proceeded far beyond a simple hero who relys on his inventions to protect him. He appelas to a vaster amount of people, his comics have to do with morals, human weaknesses, political themes and action. Whereas Batman is a hero with a smaller vision, he owns a company that finances his inventions (since people say he STILL invents things), he just can’t encompass as many readers as Iron Man. I still maintane the beleif that you are being small minded, you say things as if they are obvious but then don’t bother to back them up. I had three people that share my opinions but you act as if you have a legion of people who are willing to side with you (and so far I have seen one).
From what you say you sound like you are a long time collector and fan of the Dark Knight. But if you can’t go outside of your regular likings or boundaries they place upon you then your opinion is just a preconceived view that has no real base. (Please try picking up an Iron Man comic or read up on him on a trustworthy website)
And that bit at the end where you called what I stated a crack you are trying to make what I said some sort of prodding taunt. Those were true words, I was not jibing but being serious, here I am disassambling the argument.

So if you would like to continue then be my guest, uphold your constantly defended theory but I will always disagree with this certain debate.

By: Seth Grimes

Seth Grimes — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:21:13 +0000

Ethan you can call me naive,intollerant,childish,and handicapped;but when it all comes down,thats not really going to help your arguement.The similarities between Iron Man and Batman exist,and they’re not limited to the fact that both are billionares.I do however hold you in some respect for at least seeing the similarities,but the thing that bugs me is that instead of just accepting these similarities you’re acting as if they really just dont matter;when they really do.You say that their characters have “delved SO far apart” but in the long run have the SIMILARITIES changed?Of course not.In the comic book world where characters can be made DRASTICALLY different we already have Batman,do we really need an Iron Man?Ithink MARVEL wanted a piece of the pie that DC had with Batman.And as for the crack about this(and I quote)”childish arguing tactic that ALWAYS gets disassembled”you couldn’t be further from the truth,I’ve seen this arguement upheld succesfully before.

By: Ethan

Ethan — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:36:50 +0000

I JUST admitted that they are there and then I said “If you can’t see what a character really is through some first glance paralells then you are not a very tollerant person at all”. They are there but you can’t jugde them because they remind you of another person, that is called having a prejudice opinion (preconceived jugdement ot opinion).
I am not saying they are not similair, I did a whole post about how they were diferent but I only did that because I was sick of people using a childish arguing tactic that ALWAYS gets disassembled.
If you want to beleive that Iron Man is a knock off of Batman because they both own billion dollar corporations then you are just being naive. However you are entitled to your own opinion (I just strongly disagree with it). When I first learned of how similairthey were I was curious, so I went out and looked on websites (Marvel site, D.C site AND Wikipedia). Then I bought recent comic books of both and realized that both characters have delved SO far away from each other in the prospect of their relatable material (I love that collection of words). I am curious where you get your information though, if you havent read the comics then you have a sort of handicaped opinion. But I do not know so I my just be being presumptuous. Its been fun.

By: Seth Grimes

Seth Grimes — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:22:37 +0000

All right Ethan I think we all see your point,but see heres the thing:The similarities between Iron Man and Batman are still there no matter how you argue.It seems to me that Iron Man fans refuse to see this.They willingly ignore the similarities simply because they dont want to see them……………..And by the way do you really think the Bat would be put down by one of Iron Mans repulsor rays?Batmans been avoiding projectiles of every kind imaginable(including rays,bullets,lasers,ect.)for ages.Also you are forgeting that The Bat has a few of his own.Hes got bomerangs and bombs and grenades of all sorts.Batmans not going to foolishly burst into the scene when Iron Mans in a position to kill him.The Bats to smart,and hes one of the best tactitions ever.Hed know how to beat Iron Man.

By: Spazmo

Spazmo — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:55:59 +0000

Hopefully after the movie is out they get the Iron Man suit on “Pimp my Ride” ;-)