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		<title>By: A WGA member</title>
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		<dc:creator>A WGA member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a WGA member (and one of the people striking on Monday)...  Let me try to clear some stuff up, at least from my POV and to the best of my understanding.

There are a lot of unresolved issues on the table, but the main two issues, IMO, are (1) DVD residuals and (2) New Media (basically Internet)

DVD:  Current residual formulas come to about FOUR CENTS per DVD.  Yes that&#039;s right.  When you buy a DVD, the writer gets 4 cents.  In comparison, about THIRTY cents go to the company that presses the DVD.  This formula has been around since the days of VHS, when writers bought into the studios/network&#039;s argument that home video is an &quot;untested market&quot;, agreed to the formula, and have resented/been screwed by it ever since.  The problem is that when the formula was first set up, the companies argued that home video could wipe out, that VHS tapes were really expensive to make, etc.  But then two things happened.  (1) Home video became a runaway success. (It&#039;s currently where studios make the majority of their money, esp. now that they&#039;re releasing old TV shows, etc.  In fact I&#039;ve heard that theatrical releases of movies are now basically advertising for the DVD release) and (2) DVD replaced VHS.  DVDs, as you know if you&#039;ve bought blanks, cost almost nothing to make compared to tapes.  Ie, the costs of manufacturing went down in 25 years.  Unfortunately, the writers formula never changed in that period, and the writers still make... four cents.  The writers are currently asking for about 8 cents per DVD.

Issue #2, &quot;new media&quot;:  Again the companies are arguing that this is an &quot;untested&quot; medium.  Everyone knows it&#039;s going to replace DVDs eventually, but the AMPTP (ie, the companies) are saying &quot;no, it&#039;s too new.  It&#039;s untested.  We can stream online, we can sell online, but we can&#039;t really pay yet&quot;-- sound familiar?  It&#039;s the 80s all over again.  So when you watch streaming TV episodes on the Web today, the writers typically aren&#039;t getting ANYTHING.  Even though you may have noticed these videos are usually advertising-supported.  Meaning the companies ARE getting paid.  Jon Stewart made this point well on his last show.

The companies have offered to use the DVD formulas for shows PURCHASED (as opposed to streaming) by customers online.  They call this something like &quot;online DVDs&quot; or &quot;online DVD sell-through&quot; This is the equivalent of spitting in the writers faces, as the writers have been pissed about the DVD &quot;home video&quot; formula for 25 years.  Totally unacceptable.  Using this formula, the studios would pay the writers like four cents for an online download even though the studios&#039; costs to deliver to the customer would be practically zip.

One last bit on the Internet.  From what I&#039;ve been learning, the current negotiating proposal from the companies is that &quot;promotional&quot; streaming to customers not pay the writers anything...ever... even if the &quot;promotional&quot; streaming is showing the entire show/movie AND even if the companies DO make money (such as via ads).  In other words, they reserve the right to show ad-supported free streaming of shows online and pay the writers zip.  Or looked at another way, they could move their entire networks to online streaming, still supported by ads, and the writers would make nothing.

What this strike is really about:  According to the company&#039;s proposals, writer&#039;s residuals for TV would disappear as content moves from broadcast to online.  Current TV residuals would disappear to zero online residuals.  (Residuals are the payments writers currently make that-- for most writers-- allows them to live in between gigs.)

The issue mentioned above about writers not making money until the show does is totally a non-starter.  Whether a show makes money or not is (1) subject to stuff like scheduling, advertising, editing, casting, and a million other things that the writer has nothing to do with, and (2) Hollywood accounting does not have the best reputation, as anyone who followed the lawsuits over Lord of the Rings, which supposedly made no money might know.  I also heard that the &quot;Simpsons&quot; is officially a money-losing show.  Yeah, right.  It&#039;s funny how many of these companies tell their investors &quot;Our industry is doing great! The Internet is the future!&quot; and then tell the writers &quot;Oh we&#039;re doing terrible.  The Internet is untested and could go away.&quot;  Puhlease.

I&#039;m not a particularly active WGA member or anything, so the above is all to the best of my understanding.  I recommend you check out http://www.unitedhollywood.com for some writer blogs or the WGA (www.wga.org) for more info.

Blah. Sorry for rambling, but I guess that&#039;s what editors are for ;)  Hope this helps.

A WGA member</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a WGA member (and one of the people striking on Monday)&#8230;  Let me try to clear some stuff up, at least from my POV and to the best of my understanding.</p>
<p>There are a lot of unresolved issues on the table, but the main two issues, IMO, are (1) DVD residuals and (2) New Media (basically Internet)</p>
<p>DVD:  Current residual formulas come to about FOUR CENTS per DVD.  Yes that&#8217;s right.  When you buy a DVD, the writer gets 4 cents.  In comparison, about THIRTY cents go to the company that presses the DVD.  This formula has been around since the days of VHS, when writers bought into the studios/network&#8217;s argument that home video is an &#8220;untested market&#8221;, agreed to the formula, and have resented/been screwed by it ever since.  The problem is that when the formula was first set up, the companies argued that home video could wipe out, that VHS tapes were really expensive to make, etc.  But then two things happened.  (1) Home video became a runaway success. (It&#8217;s currently where studios make the majority of their money, esp. now that they&#8217;re releasing old TV shows, etc.  In fact I&#8217;ve heard that theatrical releases of movies are now basically advertising for the DVD release) and (2) DVD replaced VHS.  DVDs, as you know if you&#8217;ve bought blanks, cost almost nothing to make compared to tapes.  Ie, the costs of manufacturing went down in 25 years.  Unfortunately, the writers formula never changed in that period, and the writers still make&#8230; four cents.  The writers are currently asking for about 8 cents per DVD.</p>
<p>Issue #2, &#8220;new media&#8221;:  Again the companies are arguing that this is an &#8220;untested&#8221; medium.  Everyone knows it&#8217;s going to replace DVDs eventually, but the AMPTP (ie, the companies) are saying &#8220;no, it&#8217;s too new.  It&#8217;s untested.  We can stream online, we can sell online, but we can&#8217;t really pay yet&#8221;&#8211; sound familiar?  It&#8217;s the 80s all over again.  So when you watch streaming TV episodes on the Web today, the writers typically aren&#8217;t getting ANYTHING.  Even though you may have noticed these videos are usually advertising-supported.  Meaning the companies ARE getting paid.  Jon Stewart made this point well on his last show.</p>
<p>The companies have offered to use the DVD formulas for shows PURCHASED (as opposed to streaming) by customers online.  They call this something like &#8220;online DVDs&#8221; or &#8220;online DVD sell-through&#8221; This is the equivalent of spitting in the writers faces, as the writers have been pissed about the DVD &#8220;home video&#8221; formula for 25 years.  Totally unacceptable.  Using this formula, the studios would pay the writers like four cents for an online download even though the studios&#8217; costs to deliver to the customer would be practically zip.</p>
<p>One last bit on the Internet.  From what I&#8217;ve been learning, the current negotiating proposal from the companies is that &#8220;promotional&#8221; streaming to customers not pay the writers anything&#8230;ever&#8230; even if the &#8220;promotional&#8221; streaming is showing the entire show/movie AND even if the companies DO make money (such as via ads).  In other words, they reserve the right to show ad-supported free streaming of shows online and pay the writers zip.  Or looked at another way, they could move their entire networks to online streaming, still supported by ads, and the writers would make nothing.</p>
<p>What this strike is really about:  According to the company&#8217;s proposals, writer&#8217;s residuals for TV would disappear as content moves from broadcast to online.  Current TV residuals would disappear to zero online residuals.  (Residuals are the payments writers currently make that&#8211; for most writers&#8211; allows them to live in between gigs.)</p>
<p>The issue mentioned above about writers not making money until the show does is totally a non-starter.  Whether a show makes money or not is (1) subject to stuff like scheduling, advertising, editing, casting, and a million other things that the writer has nothing to do with, and (2) Hollywood accounting does not have the best reputation, as anyone who followed the lawsuits over Lord of the Rings, which supposedly made no money might know.  I also heard that the &#8220;Simpsons&#8221; is officially a money-losing show.  Yeah, right.  It&#8217;s funny how many of these companies tell their investors &#8220;Our industry is doing great! The Internet is the future!&#8221; and then tell the writers &#8220;Oh we&#8217;re doing terrible.  The Internet is untested and could go away.&#8221;  Puhlease.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a particularly active WGA member or anything, so the above is all to the best of my understanding.  I recommend you check out <a href="http://www.unitedhollywood.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.unitedhollywood.com</a> for some writer blogs or the WGA (www.wga.org) for more info.</p>
<p>Blah. Sorry for rambling, but I guess that&#8217;s what editors are for ;)  Hope this helps.</p>
<p>A WGA member</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2007/09/understanding-the-coming-hollywood-strike#comment-50333</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes.  Makes more sense now.  Thanks for clearing that up John.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes.  Makes more sense now.  Thanks for clearing that up John.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryy</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2007/09/understanding-the-coming-hollywood-strike#comment-50332</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the reviewers only example of a movie getting rushed is Wolverine, because we all know that would of been a masterpiece if it wasn&#039;t.

Transformers 2, a huge blockbuster CGI spectacle, taking its sweet time? This surely never would of happened if there were no strike. 

Pompeii and a &quot;bunch of other movies&quot; getting killed? Why would they be put down over a strike? Shelved is the word that he is looking for, and it in no means states that movies get killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the reviewers only example of a movie getting rushed is Wolverine, because we all know that would of been a masterpiece if it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Transformers 2, a huge blockbuster CGI spectacle, taking its sweet time? This surely never would of happened if there were no strike. </p>
<p>Pompeii and a &#8220;bunch of other movies&#8221; getting killed? Why would they be put down over a strike? Shelved is the word that he is looking for, and it in no means states that movies get killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure where you got your information, but TV Games show writers - at least some of them - are covered under the WGA.  And you can&#039;t write for certain games shows unless you are a member of the WGA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you got your information, but TV Games show writers &#8211; at least some of them &#8211; are covered under the WGA.  And you can&#8217;t write for certain games shows unless you are a member of the WGA.</p>
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		<title>By: Calviin</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2007/09/understanding-the-coming-hollywood-strike#comment-50330</link>
		<dc:creator>Calviin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most TV shows will probably wrap up their filming before the stirke too, Melbye. Even game shows get taped in a short period of time, and then broken out to be aired. Some shows, like SouthPark and live shows do things during the season, because they want to stay relevant to current events, but dramatic series like Heroes and reality shows like Survivor are filmed in a short period of time compared to the length of their season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most TV shows will probably wrap up their filming before the stirke too, Melbye. Even game shows get taped in a short period of time, and then broken out to be aired. Some shows, like SouthPark and live shows do things during the season, because they want to stay relevant to current events, but dramatic series like Heroes and reality shows like Survivor are filmed in a short period of time compared to the length of their season.</p>
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		<title>By: melbye</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2007/09/understanding-the-coming-hollywood-strike#comment-50329</link>
		<dc:creator>melbye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actually more afraid of what this strike does to tv-shows than movies. What if they went on strike in the middle of the season, then a show would just stop before the seasonal storyarc was even resolved. But since this strike isn&#039;t happening intil June this luckily won&#039;t be a problem, if i understand it correctly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually more afraid of what this strike does to tv-shows than movies. What if they went on strike in the middle of the season, then a show would just stop before the seasonal storyarc was even resolved. But since this strike isn&#8217;t happening intil June this luckily won&#8217;t be a problem, if i understand it correctly</p>
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		<title>By: John Campea</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2007/09/understanding-the-coming-hollywood-strike#comment-50328</link>
		<dc:creator>John Campea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Drew,

You said:

&quot;Why should the writers not get paid until after the movie breaks even?&quot;

No no no... I totally agree with you here 100%.  Writers should get paid for their work, when they do the work.  What the Producers are talking about is After-The-Fact royalties that are paid on top of fees for the writers services.

So if a writer is supposed to get $5000 plus a 2% royalty then the writer gets his/her $5000, but then has to wait for the producer to at least break even on the project before the 2% royalty kicks in.

At least that is my understanding of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Drew,</p>
<p>You said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why should the writers not get paid until after the movie breaks even?&#8221;</p>
<p>No no no&#8230; I totally agree with you here 100%.  Writers should get paid for their work, when they do the work.  What the Producers are talking about is After-The-Fact royalties that are paid on top of fees for the writers services.</p>
<p>So if a writer is supposed to get $5000 plus a 2% royalty then the writer gets his/her $5000, but then has to wait for the producer to at least break even on the project before the 2% royalty kicks in.</p>
<p>At least that is my understanding of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;m not sure this is totally accurate either:

&quot;The WGA risk nothing&quot;

How about time and effort?  If a director fraks up the movie, why should the writer be punished after working for months (maybe years) on a story or script?  Again, the studio chose the script.  The script didn&#039;t choose the studio (usually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;m not sure this is totally accurate either:</p>
<p>&#8220;The WGA risk nothing&#8221;</p>
<p>How about time and effort?  If a director fraks up the movie, why should the writer be punished after working for months (maybe years) on a story or script?  Again, the studio chose the script.  The script didn&#8217;t choose the studio (usually).</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no expert, but not sure I entirely agree with you on issue #2...

Why should the writers not get paid until after the movie breaks even?  The studio and producers are the ones who took the script and made it into a movie. They could&#039;ve chose someone else&#039;s script.   I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right when they choose the script (it&#039;s not forced upon them) and then say, &quot;Hey, we&#039;re gonna make your script into a movie. We think it&#039;s awesome; but if it bombs... tough shit.  You get nothing.&quot; Sure it&#039;s a risk, but so is hiring a director or an actor.  Does Tom Cruise not make any money until after &quot;Mission Impossibe IV&quot; makes back its $85 million in production costs?

I don&#039;t offer my services to my job and get paid only if they make money (in the short run anyway).  I get paid for going to work and doing a good job.  If someone else screws up the overall product, that&#039;s not my fault and I should still get paid. 


Maybe I&#039;m not understanding the circumstance or the scenario correctly, but this seems right to me. If I&#039;m wrong, please explain it to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert, but not sure I entirely agree with you on issue #2&#8230;</p>
<p>Why should the writers not get paid until after the movie breaks even?  The studio and producers are the ones who took the script and made it into a movie. They could&#8217;ve chose someone else&#8217;s script.   I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right when they choose the script (it&#8217;s not forced upon them) and then say, &#8220;Hey, we&#8217;re gonna make your script into a movie. We think it&#8217;s awesome; but if it bombs&#8230; tough shit.  You get nothing.&#8221; Sure it&#8217;s a risk, but so is hiring a director or an actor.  Does Tom Cruise not make any money until after &#8220;Mission Impossibe IV&#8221; makes back its $85 million in production costs?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t offer my services to my job and get paid only if they make money (in the short run anyway).  I get paid for going to work and doing a good job.  If someone else screws up the overall product, that&#8217;s not my fault and I should still get paid. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m not understanding the circumstance or the scenario correctly, but this seems right to me. If I&#8217;m wrong, please explain it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Letourneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize reality shows had writers lol. I should fire mine, because my reality sucks.</description>
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