Comments on: Why The Loss Of The Tradition Film Critic Is A Loss To Us All http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all The Official Home of Correct Movie Opinions Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:48:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Brendan http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130528 Brendan Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:00:53 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130528 "Yes there are some very insurmountable economical reasons why most of them can’t" It does not cost anything to have a YouTube channel. It costs about 60 bucks a year to run a website. You're saying they don't have channels of being heard? We all do- they just have to use them. If they have content worthy of being heard it can be. “Yes there are some very insurmountable economical reasons why most of them can’t”

It does not cost anything to have a YouTube channel.

It costs about 60 bucks a year to run a website.

You’re saying they don’t have channels of being heard? We all do- they just have to use them. If they have content worthy of being heard it can be.

]]> By: Jay http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130502 Jay Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:47:01 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130502 Pretty sad....I always look forward to a good review and I don't mind lengthy ones either since many of the good critics from the established publication are very insightful. Pretty sad….I always look forward to a good review and I don’t mind lengthy ones either since many of the good critics from the established publication are very insightful.

]]> By: John http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130428 John Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:07:59 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130428 Hey Brendan, Regardless if you like to admit it or not, having a journalisim degree, formal writing training and a film history training DOES enable SOME of these guys to do things the vast majority of us online guys can't do. Neither better nor worse... it's different. But as I clearly said in my post, there are things we do that they never can, and vice versa.. And you said: <b><i>"there’s no reason why those people can’t be saying the exact same thing online"</i></b> Yes there are some very insurmountable economical reasons why most of them can't Hey Brendan,

Regardless if you like to admit it or not, having a journalisim degree, formal writing training and a film history training DOES enable SOME of these guys to do things the vast majority of us online guys can’t do. Neither better nor worse… it’s different. But as I clearly said in my post, there are things we do that they never can, and vice versa..

And you said:

“there’s no reason why those people can’t be saying the exact same thing online”

Yes there are some very insurmountable economical reasons why most of them can’t

]]> By: Brendan http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130424 Brendan Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:58:53 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130424 "DIFFERENT than what online guys bring to the table (or, quite frankly are even capable of bringing to the table). Knowledge, skill and expertise." "We're insecure sniveling wimps with and inferiority complex" You're saying we online guys can't bring to the table what the critics can- one being knowledge. You are exactly saying that the online community is uninformed. Besides that my point isn't that people who have a degree can't write critically about films. What I'm saying is that there is a certain elitism that goes along with being 'Published' and that there's no reason why those people can't be saying the exact same thing online, but without the influence of mainstream media which DO effect the content of what they publish. “DIFFERENT than what online guys bring to the table (or, quite frankly are even capable of bringing to the table). Knowledge, skill and expertise.”

“We’re insecure sniveling wimps with and inferiority complex”

You’re saying we online guys can’t bring to the table what the critics can- one being knowledge. You are exactly saying that the online community is uninformed.

Besides that my point isn’t that people who have a degree can’t write critically about films. What I’m saying is that there is a certain elitism that goes along with being ‘Published’ and that there’s no reason why those people can’t be saying the exact same thing online, but without the influence of mainstream media which DO effect the content of what they publish.

]]> By: John http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130399 John Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:22:14 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130399 Hey Brendan, I vehemently disagree with your opinion of professional film critics. As far as me saying online readers are "uninformed" and "dumbed down" please show me where I said that... cause I just read my post over again, and I don't see it anywhere. I do lament that when higher analysis and critisism is taken off the map all together it's a step in the wrong direction for all of us and the film community is worse off for it. But that is radically different from what you're suggesting. Hey Brendan,

I vehemently disagree with your opinion of professional film critics.

As far as me saying online readers are “uninformed” and “dumbed down” please show me where I said that… cause I just read my post over again, and I don’t see it anywhere.

I do lament that when higher analysis and critisism is taken off the map all together it’s a step in the wrong direction for all of us and the film community is worse off for it.

But that is radically different from what you’re suggesting.

]]> By: Brendan http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130398 Brendan Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:16:37 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130398 Roger Epert is a hack. He as well as other professional critics believe that their word is gospel. You're right that you're a fan and you post your opinion, which is why I watch. When they write they try to influence opinion. That's the difference. Critics do nothing more than promote an obsolete engine of promoting crappy movies for a little extra money and put down movies that deserve a second look. The fact is independent movie reviewers and the online community promote and review movies that not only would otherwise not get attention but might otherwise get bad reviews because they don't live up to and elitist's point of view. The fact is YOU John, owe your success to the online community. By you saying that we are "Uninformed" and "dumbing down" opinions on movies is simply a slap in the face to the people and media that made you successful. Roger Epert is a hack. He as well as other professional critics believe that their word is gospel. You’re right that you’re a fan and you post your opinion, which is why I watch. When they write they try to influence opinion. That’s the difference.

Critics do nothing more than promote an obsolete engine of promoting crappy movies for a little extra money and put down movies that deserve a second look.

The fact is independent movie reviewers and the online community promote and review movies that not only would otherwise not get attention but might otherwise get bad reviews because they don’t live up to and elitist’s point of view.

The fact is YOU John, owe your success to the online community. By you saying that we are “Uninformed” and “dumbing down” opinions on movies is simply a slap in the face to the people and media that made you successful.

]]> By: HisDivineShadow http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130349 HisDivineShadow Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:40:31 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130349 I think a lot of us old farts remember watching Siskel and Ebert way back when they were on public tv. Anyone remember those days... (Am I dating myself?). They were the biggest thing back then. But now sheesh everyones a critic. I think a lot of us old farts remember watching Siskel and Ebert way back when they were on public tv. Anyone remember those days… (Am I dating myself?).
They were the biggest thing back then. But now sheesh everyones a critic.

]]> By: nbakid2000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130343 nbakid2000 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:27:25 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130343 That's not to say I don't enjoy film critics - I enjoy historical film critics like Leonard Maltin or that dude -- Jerry something, who is a cartoon historian. Just, y'know, typical print critics - don't care. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy film critics – I enjoy historical film critics like Leonard Maltin or that dude — Jerry something, who is a cartoon historian.

Just, y’know, typical print critics – don’t care.

]]> By: nbakid2000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130340 nbakid2000 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:22:33 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130340 And even if you and Doug are wrong (in my eyes) on a certain review, at least you guys do it with incredible passion that is entertaining. And even if you and Doug are wrong (in my eyes) on a certain review, at least you guys do it with incredible passion that is entertaining.

]]> By: nbakid2000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130338 nbakid2000 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:20:55 +0000 http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130338 I don't care. I've never been one to read movie reviews in newspapers. I'd much rather read online reviews from people who aren't afraid to say whether a movie is shit or not and just tell it like it is. Like you and Doug. Ebert can't touch Doug's style or the smiles he brings to peoples' faces when he reviews a movie. I'd much rather read a review by someone like Doug than a "safe" review you'd find in print or on television. I don’t care. I’ve never been one to read movie reviews in newspapers. I’d much rather read online reviews from people who aren’t afraid to say whether a movie is shit or not and just tell it like it is. Like you and Doug.

Ebert can’t touch Doug’s style or the smiles he brings to peoples’ faces when he reviews a movie. I’d much rather read a review by someone like Doug than a “safe” review you’d find in print or on television.

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