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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-163709</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna make a move where the muslims get shoved to the front of the plane so the go down first. People will love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna make a move where the muslims get shoved to the front of the plane so the go down first. People will love it.</p>
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		<title>By: 790</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161443</link>
		<dc:creator>790</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George you must have seen the porno version,,,

 Seriously what are your points???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George you must have seen the porno version,,,</p>
<p> Seriously what are your points???</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161404</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loose Change is an easily debunked load of hokum.</description>
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		<title>By: 790</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161296</link>
		<dc:creator>790</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Doug I have, however I think were the only ones here. 
 Flight 93 was a great piece of propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Doug I have, however I think were the only ones here.<br />
 Flight 93 was a great piece of propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161202</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was not unusual to see World War II films while the war was still going on (Sahara comes to mind, though I don&#039;t believe that was based on an actual battle), so there is some historical precedence for this. Of course, there are key differences, the biggest of which is that war films are a good harbinger for triumph and glory. You have to be very careful with 9/11 films because technically we were the victims, and so the triumph cannot come from any victory but from the triumph of the human spirit. United 93 and World Trade Center were pretty respectful, I thought.

And of course there&#039;s the argument that it hit too close to home. I would actually be interested in knowing how we handled Pearl Harbor or how other countries handled invasions and tragedies when it comes to cinema. The thing that really makes these two 9/11 movies stand out is that they&#039;re based on actual people and their stories, and so there&#039;s been a lot of controversy about which families approve of this. Unfortunately, I think that people still tend to see a movie made about an event and automatically are concerned about the exploitation as an action and money making vehicle. The notion of it as a tribute tends to get lost.

But I understand that things are very murky when you get into these &quot;tragedy&quot; films about human on human violence in an every day context. These are things that we struggle to understand. The closest approximation I can think of is something like Munich, but that was more about the fall out and was made decades later. I can&#039;t think of any others...frankly, it will be more interesting to see what people have to say about the implications of 9/11 as the years go on. With Vietnam, we needed films about the war in order to make sense of it. Some of the greatest films of all time have come out of the ashes of Vietnam. This can only come with some perspective. United 93 and WTC stuck pretty close to the book. We probably will eventually see films that have more of an interpretation as we try to understand the meaning of what happened.

cib3k: You&#039;re doing the exact same thing that you&#039;re complaining about: marginalizing one tragedy for another. Some atrocities are worse than others. But it&#039;s obvious why 9/11 is publicized so much (terrorists striking at the heart of the symbol of one of the world&#039;s largest and most prosperous nation using our own planes), and that is no reason for apathy. Not only do you marginalize the events, but you marginalize most tragedies by saying that it&#039;s all just another day and that they aren&#039;t worth remembering. If 9/11 isn&#039;t worth thinking about, then most tragedies aren&#039;t worth thinking about, and that is kind of scary.

As for the government, most Americans aren&#039;t going to excuse what our government has done (though the argument is far more nuanced than that, but your post isn&#039;t exactly given over to nuances), but the line of thinking that you have presented is also scary. Governments commit atrocities every day. They make war with each other and amongst themselves. They aren&#039;t just marginalizing their own tragedies. They&#039;re the cause of it. The actions of the government shouldn&#039;t doom the people and make them the subject of apathy, even if it is the people who are destroying themselves. Nobody &quot;has it coming&quot;, at least not as a group, because people really aren&#039;t that different on an emotional level, and if we start dooming certain populations because we think that they brought it down upon themselves, then no one is worth saving. We wouldn&#039;t be worth saving as a species because we are probably so apathetic that we would destroy ourselves without even realizing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not unusual to see World War II films while the war was still going on (Sahara comes to mind, though I don&#8217;t believe that was based on an actual battle), so there is some historical precedence for this. Of course, there are key differences, the biggest of which is that war films are a good harbinger for triumph and glory. You have to be very careful with 9/11 films because technically we were the victims, and so the triumph cannot come from any victory but from the triumph of the human spirit. United 93 and World Trade Center were pretty respectful, I thought.</p>
<p>And of course there&#8217;s the argument that it hit too close to home. I would actually be interested in knowing how we handled Pearl Harbor or how other countries handled invasions and tragedies when it comes to cinema. The thing that really makes these two 9/11 movies stand out is that they&#8217;re based on actual people and their stories, and so there&#8217;s been a lot of controversy about which families approve of this. Unfortunately, I think that people still tend to see a movie made about an event and automatically are concerned about the exploitation as an action and money making vehicle. The notion of it as a tribute tends to get lost.</p>
<p>But I understand that things are very murky when you get into these &#8220;tragedy&#8221; films about human on human violence in an every day context. These are things that we struggle to understand. The closest approximation I can think of is something like Munich, but that was more about the fall out and was made decades later. I can&#8217;t think of any others&#8230;frankly, it will be more interesting to see what people have to say about the implications of 9/11 as the years go on. With Vietnam, we needed films about the war in order to make sense of it. Some of the greatest films of all time have come out of the ashes of Vietnam. This can only come with some perspective. United 93 and WTC stuck pretty close to the book. We probably will eventually see films that have more of an interpretation as we try to understand the meaning of what happened.</p>
<p>cib3k: You&#8217;re doing the exact same thing that you&#8217;re complaining about: marginalizing one tragedy for another. Some atrocities are worse than others. But it&#8217;s obvious why 9/11 is publicized so much (terrorists striking at the heart of the symbol of one of the world&#8217;s largest and most prosperous nation using our own planes), and that is no reason for apathy. Not only do you marginalize the events, but you marginalize most tragedies by saying that it&#8217;s all just another day and that they aren&#8217;t worth remembering. If 9/11 isn&#8217;t worth thinking about, then most tragedies aren&#8217;t worth thinking about, and that is kind of scary.</p>
<p>As for the government, most Americans aren&#8217;t going to excuse what our government has done (though the argument is far more nuanced than that, but your post isn&#8217;t exactly given over to nuances), but the line of thinking that you have presented is also scary. Governments commit atrocities every day. They make war with each other and amongst themselves. They aren&#8217;t just marginalizing their own tragedies. They&#8217;re the cause of it. The actions of the government shouldn&#8217;t doom the people and make them the subject of apathy, even if it is the people who are destroying themselves. Nobody &#8220;has it coming&#8221;, at least not as a group, because people really aren&#8217;t that different on an emotional level, and if we start dooming certain populations because we think that they brought it down upon themselves, then no one is worth saving. We wouldn&#8217;t be worth saving as a species because we are probably so apathetic that we would destroy ourselves without even realizing it.</p>
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		<title>By: cib3k</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161182</link>
		<dc:creator>cib3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not from the US and I feel sorry of course for all the people dying, it was a tragedy, but otherwise I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about 9/11. There are far worse tragedies in the world, some of them happening as we speek. The US government has overused so much this attack to promote its interests that a lot of people overseas are just sick of it. Some actually think the US had it coming. I have no idea what I was doing in 2001 and if it wasn&#039;t for the media to remind me I wouldn&#039;t even have noticed that 9-11 setember have something to do with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not from the US and I feel sorry of course for all the people dying, it was a tragedy, but otherwise I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass about 9/11. There are far worse tragedies in the world, some of them happening as we speek. The US government has overused so much this attack to promote its interests that a lot of people overseas are just sick of it. Some actually think the US had it coming. I have no idea what I was doing in 2001 and if it wasn&#8217;t for the media to remind me I wouldn&#8217;t even have noticed that 9-11 setember have something to do with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161155</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too soon. I watched the replay of coverage on NBC. Its horrific to know whats going to happen while watching archival footage. I dont want to see a movie about it any time soon. Maybe in 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too soon. I watched the replay of coverage on NBC. Its horrific to know whats going to happen while watching archival footage. I dont want to see a movie about it any time soon. Maybe in 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Obi-Wan Kubrick</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161072</link>
		<dc:creator>Obi-Wan Kubrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally thought United 93 was amazing!</description>
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		<title>By: joonavar</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161030</link>
		<dc:creator>joonavar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in California when this event occurred.  The Western World was a very strange place to be in at the time of these events.  I remember every single moment of that day.  It still brings a tear to my eye.  Last night I watched a video made by a man during the actual events of the attacks, as he stood in a lobby of a neighbouring building with firefighters as the second plane attacked, as the first building collapsed, and eventually the second Trade Centre fell to it&#039;s feet.  The world was brought to it&#039;s feet on that day.  
At a guess, perhaps more movies haven&#039;t been made because it&#039;s still such an immensely sensitive issue, raw in many people&#039;s hearts.  In time there will no doubt be more media production on this tragedy...but the dust is probably still settling for many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in California when this event occurred.  The Western World was a very strange place to be in at the time of these events.  I remember every single moment of that day.  It still brings a tear to my eye.  Last night I watched a video made by a man during the actual events of the attacks, as he stood in a lobby of a neighbouring building with firefighters as the second plane attacked, as the first building collapsed, and eventually the second Trade Centre fell to it&#8217;s feet.  The world was brought to it&#8217;s feet on that day.<br />
At a guess, perhaps more movies haven&#8217;t been made because it&#8217;s still such an immensely sensitive issue, raw in many people&#8217;s hearts.  In time there will no doubt be more media production on this tragedy&#8230;but the dust is probably still settling for many people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
		<link>http://themovieblog.com/2008/09/9-11-and-the-movies#comment-161027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarcasm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarcasm?</p>
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