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  1. hey this message might be long but i’m gonna answer all the questions i heard and read… bumblebees voice was back at the end of transformers 1 but they also said he was still haveing problems with it… teck he wasnt great at it he could only say certin stuff.

    Q1. jetfire says only a prime can kill a prime but really what he means when he says that is it’s easyer for a prime to kill a prime. when megatron killed optims he had help with like starscream or someone.

    Q2. when bumblebee throws the twins out of the cave he did it without a sweet b-cause the twins were caught off gaurd i’m sure if they knew bumblebee was coming they would have been more defensive but they were to focased on beaating each other.

    Q3. leo is in the movie b-caause in every movie if they have a second they cant have the same people as they did in the first movie and only thoes people they need to have new people to keep the watchers intrested. and he was funny when i watched it almost all the people in the movie theater were laughing. there i answered ur questions and i hope your happy…aan i don’t get wats wrong with transformers it’s the best movie u probly just don’t know good movies and yes im talking bout the guy who made the video

  2. I agree with Jose Ramos about most of these questions.
    1. I recall near the end of the first movie when Megatron and Optimus were having their final epic battle, Optimus calls Megatron “brother”. So if only a Prime can kill a Prime, it would make sense. Maybe Megatron is secretly a descendant of the original Primes too. But if only a Prime could kill the Fallen, then that would make more sense because the original Primes couldn’t defeat him because they sacrificed themselves to hide the Matrix. So maybe they entrusted the last Prime, (Optimus) to defeat the Fallen. (And Optimus joined together with Jetfire, who if I’m not mistaken, was a Prime also. Probably wrong about that Jetfire bit but I’m not sure so…ya.)

    2. In my opinion, the Twins were just being immature when BumbleBee tossed them away. They weren’t really being serious. Honestly, I wouldn’t fight my brother as seriouslly as I would a bully thats 3 times my size. And the only reason they did that much damage is because Mudflap got lucky when he got eaten and bursted out. Otherwise, it was from the Rail Gun from the Aircraft Carrier as Devastater was climbing up the Pyramid.

    3. Leo acts as the go-between for Sam and the Sector 7 Agent. He also brings some humor to the dramatic fight scenes.

  3. 1) I am not sure about this but those he ever say “Only a Prime can kill a Prime” or does he say “Only a Prime can kill the Fallen”? Because if it is the latter, it is a complete different aspect than the first one. Why? Just because only a Prime can kill The Fallen doesnt mean that only a Prime can kill a Prime. It is logic’s rules. Just because P causes Q doesnt mean that Q causes P.

    2) Bumblebee caught them off guard, and he was just acting like an older brother. They didnt want to fight him back because they really didnt need to.

    3)I think Leo just added a more relaxed and funny aspect to it, most of all the times he came out I had a good laugh. it is just to add a little something to the movie…

    Thats my points of view, I think the most important one is the first one…

    Best Regards.

  4. Ok, since Johns questions are pretty much answered…

    1) What I want to know is how did the Human Female Decepticon know that Sam was at college when the Decepticons were still looking for him (where they even looking for him at that point? If not, why the hell was she even there, and they make it seem like she was enrolled at college for a while. And why didn’t she just kill/capture him when she was alone with him in the car (Bumblebee)? Also, why didn’t she signal the Decepticons when she found Sam.

    2) I still don’t get why the allspark only creates Decepticons.

  5. 1. Maybe Megatron could have killed Optimus because he was destined to return. Kinda like Jesus

    2. No clue. HUGELY unsatisfying.

    3. No point. He sucked.

  6. I LOLed at your take on Leo.

    I actually watched the movie twice.

    And the whole time Leo came out, I kept whisperin to my friends about how annoying and useless he was…

    but then I realize Leo is jus a poorly executed “comic relief.”

    Now towards the end of the movie, Michael Bay put in a lot of lame lines and scenes but I wont get into that… Leo I believe is a character that Bay created on purpose to kind of offset the whole tone of the movie.

    When it gets too serious, basically this clown comes out of nowhere and tries to elicit a few chuckles which I thought was a failed attempt.

    Of course this is my interpretation.

    And your first question is actually VERY sharp :) you gave me somethin to think about…

    As for the second question/point you brought up about bumblebee and the twins… I dont think it’s too big of a deal. It could be for any number of things… but i dont believe it to be somethin worthy of questioning. As someone suggested, I think it was jus that bumblebee was an ally and the twins jus didnt wanna mess wit when in fact they are real good fighters.

  7. #1 In the first Transformers Megatron refers to Opitmus Prime being his brother. So that would make Megatron himself a descendant of a Prime, would it not.

    #3 Leo was a gimmick. Purely for comic relief, like many of the other characters.

  8. I thought only a autobot can be a prime 1 matrix 1 prime. not a fallen, nor megatron (who could be considered a prime) never starscreen! also bumble be is not asaposed to be a great fighter, but bay re-wrote it I guess.

  9. #1: Plothole imo
    #2: See above, but Devastators only purpose was wrecking the pyramid anyway, which was kind of lame considering the trailers and marketing made us believe he would be some kind of major villain to fight.

    Here’s my answer to #3 :
    He serves no plot-purpose, but he is there to “ground” all the stuff that’s going on. Talking and fighting robots, transforming back and forth into cars and planes etc, which come from outer space are no big deal for sam, hot-chick and agent-porkmeat, so there is no wonder, no awe for them. And not for us, the viewers, because we all saw that in part 1 allready.
    Someone mentioned Optimus arrival on earth in part 1 on how much of Spielbergs fingerprint is on it. This little girl sees him walking out of the pool, and we see her face and reaction.
    Maybe Bay wanted to redo that, but just got a tiny little bit too far (as with… everything).

    There’s a nice saying in german: “Much helps much” (dunno how to literally translate this), and Bay must have writen this on the mirror above his bed.

  10. 1. I think it was kinda of the whole Superman Doomsday thing. It wasn’t so much that Megatron killed Optimus but that Optimus got the living shit kicked out of him and died from exhaustion.

    2. The Twins were just goofing off and the whole Bumblebee thing was his way of telling them to shut the hell up.

    3. I agree with you John he was there to help them find the guy from the first one and then he was just comic relief.

  11. Again, Jetfire said that “only a Prime can kill the fallen”, he never said than “only a prime can kill a prime”, that’s just an asusmption everybody is mistakingly making.

    2. I’ll have to see the movie again, but I really don’t remember seeing anything in the movie that implied that, Rodney. We are all making an assumption that because the Fallen is a prime, and since only a prime can only kill the Fallen then only a prime can kill another prime. It’s all just an assumption that is really not based on any facts. It’s like in Monty Python’s in search of the Holy Grail. What else floats? Ducks float! Well then, if she weighs the same as a duck, she must be a witch! It’s like saying, well since only Optimus can only defeat the Fallen which are obviously both male robots, then only a male robot can defeat Optimus. We are making ungrounded assumption I do believe.

    3. Oh, and Optimus is a Transformer and the Fallen is a Transformer; therefore, because only Optimus can defeat the Fallen, then only a Transformer can defeat Optimus. So because Megatron is also a Transformer, he can defeat Optimus! See what I am getting at? We can twist things around all day, doesn’t make them right.

    4. Hey Jeremy,

      It’s a purely logical assumption. Jetfire makes a big deal out of the fact that ONLY a Prime can kill The Fallen. Why is that? The ONLY SINGLE THING that is unique about The Fallen that the movie informs us of is that The Fallen was a Prime.

      Only a Prime can kill him.

      It’s pure logic. There is absolutely no other explanation offered in the movie about why ONLY a Prime can kill the fallen… other than th fact that he himself was a Prime.

      I get your “duck” analogy, but in the duck situation there could be a million other answers… in Transformers 2, the ONLY answer or possible explanation offered is that The Fallen was a Prime, and only a Prime can kill him.

    5. OK, bare with me a second. Sam has that vision near the end of the movie where he pretty much dies. In that vision the Primes tell him that he was meant to fulfill a role, his destiny was to save Optimus. “Only a prime can kill the fallen” sounds like a line that would have come from a foretelling of the future. As these Transformers in the vision revealed they new that same day this boy named Sam would save Optimus, then maybe it also foretold of a prime defeating the Fallen. That would not necessarily mean that only a prime could kill a prime, just that legend says that the Fallen would be defeated by a prime. As it was Sam’s destiny to save Optimus, it was Optimus’ (a prime) destiny to defeat the Fallen. Just a though and another way to look at it. What do you think?

  12. Ok putting aside the explaination given by the novelization for a moment. If prime is a descendant of the ancient primes and megatron is his brother as revealed in the first movie (maybe prime meant brother as in being a member of the cybertronian race)Then megatron could kill prime because he is a prime as well.

  13. ok john this is my question if the fallen is a prime or once was one along with his brothers and if im not mistakin only a prime can kill him now in the movie they say that his brothers cant defeat him so they hide the matrix now if that prime can only kill the fallen thing still applies why cant his brothers kill him if they are primes.

    #1.optimus was caught off guard and no matter who you are if your enemy sees a weak spot their going to take advantage of and thats what megatron did and in a sense he was never dead seeing that he got brought back at end because fate was already set that optimus was going to kill the fallen one thing that i bother is when the fallen teleports down and grabs the matrix why at that very moment did he not take advantage of opitmus’s weakness as megatron did and kills him

    #2just stating the obvious here autobots are autobots for a reason and its not like just because their extremely anoying in your case doesnt mean that they cant hold their own when the time calls it N JOHN THE REASON WHY THEIR PROBABLY SO STEREOTYPIC IS BECAUSE WHEN THEY ARRIVE ON EARTH THEY PROBABLY LEARNED THEIR EARTH LANGUAGE FROM RAP RADIO STATIONS INTERNET SITE etc AND TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO ACT THAT WAY REMEMBER N TRANSFORMERS 1 JAZZ TALKED BLACK OK NOW REMEMBER ONE OF YOUR COMPLAINTS FOR TRANFORMERS 1 IS THAT ROBOTS LACKED PERSONALITY SOME ROBOT ARE GOING TO BE ANOYING JUST LIKE PEOPLE now back to the matter at hand they were to busy fighting amoungst themselves to notice bumblebee getting ready to break them up now the devastator fight really simple devastator was way to big slow and mindless and he was being distracted by mudflap punching off the outer shell of his face now skids and mudflap were way to fast for devastator to any real damage besides flicking them off like they did to him.and im pretty sure if bumblebee would have tookin devastator on he probably would have KILLED devastator

    #3john ok now if you have a problem with leo your going to have to have a problem with a lot of more people like megan fox besides here acting she had one purpose in this movie as well then they when to the smithsonion he distracted the guards or whatever but other than that he didnt asked to be spaced bridge into egypt

    those are just my personal opinion

  14. I FINALLY SEEN THE MOVIE. It was actually good, but not as good as the first and was boring in the second third.

    Question 1: It didn’t say a prime could kill a problem.

    2: Bumblebee is an autobot, not an enemy

    3: I’m still wondering that

    Alright my short review for Transformers 2

    Pros:

    Great action.
    Great visual effects.
    Third act saved the movie.
    Great one-liners.
    Optimis becomes a bad motherfucka.
    The Twins (just fucking with ya, seeing if your paying attention).
    The parents were the funniest parts (his mom gets high, LOL).
    Holy shit are both Megan Fox and that Austrailian chick hot?!

    Cons:

    A lot of the new Autobots were kinda annoying(the twins and weelie especially).
    The first film was funnier.
    I lost interest in the second third of the film.
    Sam’s roomate.
    Waste of super-hot austrailian terminator woman.
    The Devastor has BALLS?

    Overall: 7/10. Coulda been a lot better, coulda been a lot worse.

  15. Alright I’ve got the winning answer to question number one, I don’t really care for the other two though, I’m sorry. Soo lets see.

    Jet fire made a giant deal that only a prime could kill a prime. but Maybe it’s to be inferred that only a prime descendant, or anyone along the lineage of primes can kill an original prime? It says the fallen was one of 7 or 8 original primes no? So perhaps only one of prime lineage can terminate a spark of a ‘true’ prime? And since Optimus is so far down the lineage line, that perhaps his spark doesn’t hold the same resistance? That’s just a thought.

    but it also begs the question – How exactly does a robot be a part of a lineage? They talked how optimus was a descendant of one of the original primes. how exactly does that work?

  16. 1. Why was IRONHIDE hardly in the movie?

    2. Why was sideswipe and devestator wasted?

    3. Why was the fallen such an awful villan?

    I HAVE ABOUT 100,000 more questions but I’ll just ask these three.

    1. Because the movie wasn’t catered to what you wanted?

      I personally don’t think Devastator was wasted. He fulfilled his role. *spoilers* Vacuum up the pyramid type to reveal the machine hidden within. */spoilers* That was his role in the movie and he succeeded.

  18. 1. Megatron cannot and will not ever kill Optimus Prime.

    2. Devastator is big, slow and clumsy. The twins are tiny, agile like insects that can attack Devestator’s weakness. (Devil’s advocate here. Devestator shits bigger pieces and should have been able to crush them easily.)

    3. Leo is in the movie for progression of the story. He is introduced here but will have a bigger role in Transformers 3. Plus he was there to give us a laugh. AND Michael Bay loves this guy.

  19. 1. When optimus is killed he is in the middle of a fight between 3 decepticons making him an easier target, but still the fallen obviously makes him self seem stronger than megatron which is why your not really missing anything here. it is just a plot hole that should have been better justified.

    2. i agree with a lot of people on this one that maybe the twins were only showing their true colors in the middle of a battle but still bay made them to bumbling and to idiotic for me to really believe that they could kick so much ass, it would have been better if the twins were seen as ninjas or like elite fighters who show no mercy instead of being white trash who only serve the purpose of driving and pissing people off.

    3. he was just suposed to be the comidic relief, but failed miserably, besides the taser seen which made me smirk somewhat

  20. 1. In “Transformers,” there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles — excuse me, Mission City — that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn’t Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by “a technological civilization far superior to our own”? How did they spin that?

    2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can’t it do the same for Optimus?

    3. Speaking of Megatron’s rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little “Doctor” robot popped out down there, but he’s about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?

    4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor’s German accent — and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents — why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn’t he just get his eyes adjusted? You’d think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.

    5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something’s wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn’t it fixed at the end of the last movie?

    6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead? And if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn’t the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?

    7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?

    8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours. And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland. Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance?

    9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!

    10. Where does Sam’s bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam’s roommate not contribute anything at all? What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice? How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela’s leg? Why do we have to see John Turturro’s thong? Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time? Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them? Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it? Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen’s hand than in Sam’s? And how do Mikaela’s pants stay so clean?

    1. Here is how I viewed a few of your complaints followed by a summary of some of the others.

      2) Sam used his piece of the spark on somebody else. Why not use it when Prime went down? Well, he didn’t have it with at the time, he doesn’t see prime again til near the end of the movie after his piece has already been used, and he may not of known it could be used to revive Prime at the time of Prime’s “death”. From the way they made it look, if the spark is used to revive an otherwise “dead” transformer then the piece is absorbed into them and no longer exists.

      3) Your problem with the mathematics has been addressed in other comments above, I recommend reading them and seeing if you can accept those answers.

      For the majority of the rest of your problems you seem to neglect this movie is based on a fictional alien race. What we know of physics and science may not apply to that race. We see metal, but it could be some alien metal that is super lite, use your imagination a bit. Where does the bandage come from? A torn shirt, sock, what ever piece of spare cloth somebody had on them, who the fuck cares? Robot heaven looked to me more like a vision induced by the matrix dust, call me crazy but I got that implication from the movie. Robot wearing glasses was a cheap shot at humor, nothing more. Don’t have an explanation of all the people that probably saw the city fight in the first one, but don’t really care. The movie was meant to be a summer blockbuster roller coaster ride of a movie. Spend the entire time nitpicking and the point of the movie is missed.

      This is all how I viewed most of your complaints, anyway, and is a good example of how different perspectives view different things. Take it as you like. Interesting read though.

    2. 5. In the book there was a Female robot built by humans, a maid bot or something. It was seen on TV by Sams roommate, he then heads to his room and sees the robot attacking Sam. So that is how the Decepticon was able to become a human. I recommend reading the book because it does tell a lot more of the story then the movie does.

    3. 1. Good questions, but not necesary.
      2. There was a lot going on and it skipped his mind.
      3. actually wasn’t he about the size of a person?
      4. What about jetfires bad back,knees,hip? can a robot really get old? it was meant as a joke.
      5. interesting.
      6. he is OPTIMUS PRIME.
      7 jetfire opened a space gate(?).
      8. The force.
      9. all dogs go to heaven. Explain that one.
      10. wasn’t it a piece of the curtain? he’s a scared little bitch.just kicking it.it’s SOUNDWAVE.wouldn’t you? To laugh. there was more than one decipticon who took those forms.we’re badass.they couldn’t.good question. tide pen.

  21. 1. Megatron
    Now that I think about it, wow that was a big plot hole. Honestly idk how that works. Bay was too fixated on “BOOOOM”

    2. Twins
    Don’t know exactly. Now the one twin did rip through Devastator’s head from the inside, but if Bumble Bee can do all that to em, than idk really how they could POSSIBLY do that to Devastator.

    3. Leo
    No, he did not serve any purpose. I thought he was kind of funny, getting scared but he was annoying, and useless.

  22. 1) Big hole. I would think the not literal comments would have to be the reasoning but it still is wonky to me.

    2) When the Twins were bickering, neither was out to harm each other and Bumblebee surprised them. Yeah I think in the face of real danger the Autobots show their true colors.

    3) Leo purpose was two fold, one to lead Sam to Simmons and to basicly serve as the role of scared-out-of-my-shorts-kid-because-everything-is-alive. In the first movie that was Sam until the end when he grew a set.

    4)HAZMAT’s comment about the 5 went down but 6 came up. The Doctor bot was in the chest of one of the others on the way down, so it would have read as only 5 blips and then 6 when they came back up even after killing one and leaving it.

    My bigger issue with that scene (aside from octupus and other sea life around Megatron at a depth that none of those creatures could survive)was the whole point of being dropped where he was at with ‘crushing pressure and extreme cold’, the other Decepticons, espescially the Doctor, should not have been able function at that depth.

    2. “the other Decepticons, espescially the Doctor, should not have been able function at that depth.”

      That is kinda like saying that a vampire was not realistic enough in any given movie. Transformers are a work of fiction and they are supposed to be an alien entity, so unless somewhere in one of the movies they stated “Transformers cannot handle the that kind of cold and pressure” we don’t know what kinda cold and pressure they can handle. I do see what your getting at, though, but just because human life can not survive in such extremes does not mean something else can’t.

      Did they mention anything at the end of the first Transformers in regard to the effect the cold and pressure would have on a Transformer? Just curious, I honestly can’t recall if they did. I just assumed they were putting Megatron in a place that would hopefully be difficult to reach.

    3. For the cold and pressure thing, these Transformers fly through space, isn’t that colder than the body of water they are submerged in. Also they enter the earths atmosphere and crash into the ground, that has to be pretty damaging to the body. He that brings up another point how can you crash into a planet, but die when you get punched in the face???

  23. Well there were 13 primes, The film used Seven. When Primus created them on Cybertron, Some died fighting Unicorn blah blah blah, which may well have got to the Seven. Obviously a Prime is awarded as a General commendation etc. So the fallen could only be defeated by one of his own. Hence Optimus Prime a descendant of the Primes, since no one was credited with the new role of Prime, The Fallen saw it fit to come and get some stars and some power! Obviously bulking up with Jetfire to make, Super Frickin Awesome Jet Pack Fat Massive Cannons Prime, the Fallen got beat. End Of.

    BTW Dont all Prime’s get issued with a Hand Held Weapon?

    Hold on surely it should have only been a Magnus that could have destroyed him? Okay nevermind ive gone a bit far now lol. Wouldnt mind seeing Ultra Magnus and that big hammer though :)

  24. That kid is still around to show the progression of Sam. In the first film sam is a big baby and afraid to do too much of anything, but they wanted to show that he has gone further since the first film, so they use that kid to run around like a little girl like Sam would have been in the first film to show this. This is best exemplified when after the decepticons make their presence known Sam tells that kid to shape up or ship out.

    The twins with devastator is just simply to show overwhelming odds in the face of the autobots and even the most unpredictable of heros can emerge in a time of need. hence the twins inflicting the damage.

    The fallen thing, i dont think optimus was ever truly dead, i think it was described as a “Stasis Lock” which is like a transformers coma. Everyone just thought he was dead, and i remember reading it would have taken millions of years for him to come out of it on his own, but the matrix fast forwards the process for him.

  25. #1 it’s an honor/respect thing. a king being killed by a commoner? I don’t have an analogy for this. anyone can kill a prime, but if anyone other than a prime kills a prime, it’s like wow, you let THAT GUY kill you? you’re pretty lame.

    #2 the twins did not go toe to toe, it was hit and run. any autobot could have done it. and they really didn’t do much damage.

    #3 comic relief?

    #4 why didn’t/doesn’t anyone mention that scene in the dark knight where he’s on the batpod driving through the mall(?) and shoots the glass door, is back inside the mall, and then drives through the shattered glass doors. that scene was edited backwards and really bugs the hell out of me everytime I see it. How did no one notice this before it was released and why wasn’t it fixed for dvd?

    #

  26. 1) While Optimus Prime was a descendant, he is still a Prime and recognized as such. This was not death, but a type of statis lock that was introduced in the Beast Wars series in the 90s. Once he fell, had Ratchet had time and the tools to repair him, he might have not needed the Matrix, but the Autobots never made it back to Diego Garcia after Prime fell in the forest, so he was dormant, and while he was “Offline” which is what the Fallen might have sensed, he was not Dead

    2) I have to say the twins were playing around as if they were truly serious, they would have started shooting each other. To me they are kids with massive power, nothing else.

    3) That one is beyond me short of the reasons John listed

  27. 1) Optimus is a descendant of the primes, although he is a prime, he’s still a descendant of the primes shown in the movie, he also looks nothing like them I’m assuming underneath the truck parts, some say we’re descendants of monkeys but I cant jump tree to tree. Maybe he lost some of that oomph but ultimately has the power to destroy the fallen. But being that he lost some of his predecessor’s ability, Megatron can do him harm. Who the hell knows though right? We could think this through and just be that, thinking of something when maybe it was a mistake and nothing even matters right?

  28. I have one question:

    Did Megatron shrink during his time in the waters? Didn’t he towered over all the robots in the first movie? Here, it seems like Optimus is as tall as Megatron…Or maybe the Autobots grew?

    1. Megatron did look a little slimmer in this movie, not sure if that was intentional or another addition to the hundreds of plot holes in this movie.

  29. 1. Optimus was not killed, in the movie book it says that he enters a state of stasis until he body repairs itself, the Matrix only speeds up this process.

    2. If someone grabbed you and your friend unexpectedly, who is twice the size of you, I am pretty sure he could smash you together.

    3. Leo’s purpose was to locate Simmons and introduce him and Sam, thought that one was pretty obvious.

    2. Not introduce I would think, but locate RoboWarrior who just happened to be Simmons. Had Sam not met Leo, Sam would have never know about RoboWarrior

    1. (accident occured w/ computer)-(cont. ques) At end of the first Transformers movie, Bumblebee got his voice, why can’t he talk in this movie?

    2. In the prequel book “The Veiled Threat” and the prequel comics “Alliance” it mentions that it was damaged again during a fight, but in the movie itself, Mikela asked the same question and Sam pointed out that Bumblebee was playing it up, like “he can talk, but is choosing this way for more sympathy”.

    4. Bill, that’s a mistake. Bee can’t talk in the movie. His “acting up” was the disappointment over not being able to go to college with Sam. Sam does also say in the movie that Bee’s voice is gone because it was damaged again.

  32. @Rodney,

    Leo is still around after that because they’re basically stuck with him (Bay and co.). They can’t kill him because it’s a family-friendly movie (although the unsuitable-for-kids humour wouldn’t lead you to think that…).

    1. He stuck around for no reason at all. He could have just said “this is fucked up and I am going to get killed if I hang around you guys” and just runs home after he leads them to Simmons. After that he has no purpose and no reason to BE stuck to them. His reaction proves that. He does nothing but panic attack ranting that he shouldnt be there.

      I am not saying they should kill him off, but when he doesn’t matter anymore then why is he still there? For fun? Bay clearly wanted him in the movie, but he was pointless after he served his plot device.

    2. Rodney

      Bay kept him around for a VERY specific reason: he “found” him! LOL… this kid’s going to be the next big thing in Hollywood, and Bay gets the credit for discovering him! YAY BAY!!! (can’t remember where I read it, but Bay was interviewed and basically said those exact words. On top of saying he discovered Will Smith and others!)

  33. Oh guys just cut this crap!!!!!! Ofcourse like many movies there are many questions unanswered in movies which better remains unanswered. But guys if there is any thing which caught my fancy was the hot “Megan Fox”. “Hottest Celebrity Babe On The Planet” that is what she is termed now-a-days!!!

  34. Maybe you should all check out this FAQ, it seems to cover most questions… http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1

    Will never see this and I find it a little sad, that The Movie Blog want’s it to not suck so bad, that I have to sort out all these transformers news with “at least one thing didn’t suck. Well not totally…”

    It’s a bad movie. Maybe the worst decision this decade. Let’s realize and move on.

    1. “It’s a bad movie. Maybe the worst decision this decade.”

      The only thing I realize from this comment is that you must not see very many movies. In ten years there have been a lot of movies that were a lot worse than this. And besides, it can’t be the worse decision if so many people liked it despite its short comings.

    2. Oh, and I agree Razz, that is the best review of all time. I posted that link last week on one of the earlier Transformers 2 posts. Very impressive.

      Gerlach, that FAQ is horrible. It feels like a person with zero imagination wrote it. He doesn’t even sound like he tried to connect any dots. For example: he complains how the same thing used to kill Megatron in the first movie was used to bring him back to life in the second. That’s kinda a real life thing. Something that is taken in moderation can be life saving, but take that same substance and over dose on it and your dead. In the first movie Megatron practically absorbs the entire cube, an important and life giving energy source… hello over dose/over load. A small fraction of that power? Life giving. Almost all the gripes in that FAQ are based off a person who is to lazy to think about the answers… well, at least that’s what I felt coming away from reading it.

    3. I’m a bit biased, ad I haven’t seen it, but it just seems to me, that you shouldn’t have to make up explanations to get the movie to make sense. Some movies get away with it fine and some let things be unanswered to trip the imagination, but this just seems like overbloated way of getting money from the innocent fans. It could have been a great franchise, but it just isn’t. Don’t try to make it that.

  35. 1. Megatron is a son of the fallen thats being prept as a one new kind. Thats why he’s got the power to defeat Optimus. But if he couldn’t destroy Prime it should become a very boring first movie, am i not right.

    2. The Twins works together, they suspect things TOGHETER. Bumbelbee did a fast attack they didnt expect, because he is a Autobot. They just didnt expect thats all.

    3. It would be to boring if they keept only the old charaters. Leo sucks we know, but if you look threw the movie you can see he has to have some kind of intro in this one to become BIGGER in the third one. Its like Saw 1 with Jigsaw that got a bigger part in Saw 2, you name a couple of sequels and you figure it out.

    Its very easy why these 3 questions could be explained.

  39. Last time I checked the Fallen was never a prime. that’s the one thing that bugged the hell out of me.

    If any of you caught that in the first movie Optimus calls Megatron “Brother” that’s because they are siblings. It’s rarely mentioned in the comics and the cartoon, so that being said it makes sense that Megatron can kill Optimus. That’s why no other Decepticon has ever come close to killing him.

    Another thing that bugged me wasn’t the twins cause the cartoon had a little campiness in it so I ignored them for the most part. But It annoyed me when they kept coming up with all these new “Sparks” and “matrixs” The Matrix of Leadership was Optimus’s Spark!!!!

    GET IT RIGHT!!! SDFKLHDJKHDU!!!

    1. Then you need to check again. The Fallen WAS a Prime. Its stated very clearly that he was, and that he “fell” from their ranks when he turned on them.

      They didn’t come up with any new sparks. They had what was left of the cube, and the splinter in Sam’s sweater. When something blows up, there are always parts left over. And the Matrix is NOT Optimus’ Spark. Two separate things entirely.

      For someone so anxious for people to “get it right” you seem to be pretty cavalier about getting it all wrong.

  40. John did this video so I could answer him. This is our favourite game to play when we see movies.

    1. I am going to assume that it was something of a tradition thing. Like Jetfire being old fashioned and respecting tradition like saying “Only a knight of noble birth can compete in the Joust!”

    Or perhaps it was more conditional. Like Only a Prime can cause permanent death. Megs isn’t a Prime, so when he “kills” Optimus he isn’t ALL dead (Mostly dead is still partly alive. If he is all dead there is only one thing left to do… go through his pockets and look for loose change)

    Maybe if another Prime was to kill Optimus, there was something that happens that makes even the Matrix of Leadership powerless to resurrect him. This could qualify the statement “Only a Prime can KILL a Prime” from a certain point of view.

    2. The Twins win the day out of dumb luck and circumstance. They never were badass. If Devastator had Bumblebee as a coach, he would have just comically bonked their heads and tossed them aside. But as it was, Devastator underestimates them and eats one. REMEMBER THE EWOKS!!!!

    3. I think Sam’s sidekick was COMPLETELY pointless. I especially liked how he punctuates his pointlessness by making the moral stand to go with Simmons in the final battle just so he could further prove he had no reason to be in the movie.

  41. I’m actually surprised how many people try to make ideas and conclusions on why “only a prime can kill a prime” when they never said such a thing. Specially haters who point it out as a plothole instead of realizing they are the ones who are wrong.

  42. 1) You said it John, “Only Prime”can kil THE FALLEN,”, they never say only a “Prime can kill a Prime” many people made that assumption but no one EVER says such a thing.
    2) They don’t want to fight bumblebee, and devastator is really a big whimp.
    3) Obviously comic relief.

  43. I know this is a moot point, because most of the answers would be answered by just saying it was a poorly laid out story…but I was just curious on thoughts to these questions:

    1) why is there more then one set of Constructicons?

    2) Why do Decepticons who died in the first movie, show up in the sequel with no explanation. Plus Barricade(a decepticon that actually did survive the first movie) they decide to leave out?

    1. 1. Who said there was more than one set of Constructicons?

      2. No dead Decepticons come back. And in the movie they already state they have encountered Decepticons between this and the last film. They could have killed some.

    2. He’s referring to the fact that, during the battle, the Constructicons appear at the same time as Devastator is going around destroying the pyramid (Long Haul, for example; he’s taken out by the rail gun [Devastator], but then he’s also taken out by Jetfire….at least, I think that was Long Haul).

      And Bonecrusher appears for a few seconds among the Decepticons in the final battle.

    4. Rodney

      1) as Daniel stated, the movie clearly shows us two sets of Constructicons in the final battle.

      2) Good point, the Autobots could of killed Barricade(alongside NEST), as they were taking out any Decepticon threats on earth (prior to ROTF)
      Boncrusher shows up briefly in the last battle. It stood out because only a handful of decepticons had earth modes in the final battle (Bonecrusher, Starscream and the Constructicons – the rest were in their protoforms).

      The only excuse I can think of is that in post production they just re-used old designs for time and budget reasons.

      “we have to design more robots fot the last battles”
      “forget it no time, just re-use the constructicon designs and some from the first movie”
      “no probem sir”

  44. 1) Because in the third Bay will probably put some corny ass plot device that will allow Megatron to kill Optimus. They’ll say: Only a Prime can kill a Prime BUT ___________

    2) When Bumblebee threw them out of the pyramid, they were just fighting amongst themselves, just brotherly love squabbling. When they fought the Decepticons they used more team work so to speak.

    3) He served no purpose except for cheap laughs. Bay said the Sam character needed a side-kick, but I didn’t see him as that.

  45. 1. The ghosts of the seven Primes told Sam it was fate that would bring him to revive Optimus. I suppose you could say it was all planned ahead of time that he would live and kill the Fallen. That or we could say that Jetfire was a senile old man-bot.

    2. The Twins didn’t exactly kick Devvy’s ass. They bumbled around and were lucky to survive. Similar to Jar Jar in the battle on Naboo, they “accidentally” did damage and came across as heroes.

    3. Leo was solely there for comic relief. Someone with more personality than Megan Fox to play off of Shia. I thought he was kinda funny, but he worked better when he teamed up with Simmons.

  46. For Question 1 I think I have an answer that will do. Sorry if it has been said but here goes

    It was said that only a Prime can kill a Prime but Megatron kills Optimus. Well maybe Jetfire means only a Prime can kill an ORIGINAL Prime, as Optimus is only a decedent and not as powerful as the original Primes(he needed Jetfires parts to take on the Fallen.

    I think this is a correct conclusion

  47. 1) Who’s to say Megatron is not a prime? He is the Fallen’s apprentice, which kinda makes it sound like he is a prime. Why would a prime take a non-prime as an apprentice?

    2) Not to explain the twins badassness when it came to devastator, but I would assume why Bumblebee was able to stop them from fighting is because: a) they were just messing around like two wolf pups might play with each other and b) they are all on the same side and Bumblebee is probably more of an authoritative figure that the twins would look up to. It’s not like they were fight each other to kill each other, but when it came to devastator lives were threatened so they owned up a bit.

    3) That guy was fucking useless. Waste of space and air time. If anybody in the movie was the new Jar-Jar, it was not the twins, it was him.

  48. OK John. To answer your #1 question is a bit hard, since the story has changed a lot since the original G1 days. My guess is that to try and tie in two story lines (G1 and the newer series) within the same movie, you’re going to have overlap and mistakes. As in the original G1 TF movie (from ’86) Prime dies and is later resurrected in the continuation storyline of G1 (season 3 I believe), I think Bay wanted to keep some sort of older fan base story arc so that we’re not as lost as we would be with him just going straight with the newer story arc. This could also explain why in the G1 series, Optimus and Megatron/Galvatron are strictly enemies, but in the current movie, they are “brothers” (if I’m not mistaken, they are in the newer series storyline). That could also explain why Megs can kill Prime (Cain and Abel from the Bible), yet Megs still has a “father figure” in The Fallen (to quickly touch upon how Megs can lead the Decepticons, yet still have a master. Every “bad guy” needs a purpose, and maybe Megs’ isn’t just to get Energon, but to “bring back to life” his master?).

    There are bigger issues with how a TF has decendants, as in ROTF they are “hatched” and not consumated, but that might be too big an issue to contend with now.

    To answer your second question, well, if you have siblings, you’d probably understand it. Sometimes the singularly stronger brother lets you win and occassionaly he takes you and another and smashes your heads together. Even though, in a fight, the two of you can kick his ass, you still respect the brother’s authority and take a playful beating. Devastator was always a big, clumsy oof. Sure he’s huge and menacing looking, but sometimes speed and agility are better fighting tactics.

    Leo was comic relief. Yes useless, but almost every American popcorn movie has someone useless in it, no? I pray he’s not back for the 3rd instalment, but if Bay’s back, there will be someone totally useless there for some unjustified reason.

  49. 1. As a previous commentator has already posted prime was not dead, but in a sort of coma.

    2. The twins are intimadated by bumble perhaps cause he has a higher rank and they know not to cross that line. As far as devastator is concerned they fought him out of self preservation cause he was swallowing everything around them.

    3. I suppose one can say that sam didn’t know the where abouts of agents simmons who would be the person who might have some info about whats going on. But the truth is they need a reason to get John Turturro back into the movie.

    Also I would just like to add, that maybe megatron was just using the fallen so he could become the next prime officially. Perhaps megatron was skipped over or next in line and just couldn’t wait. Remember prime did call him brother in the first film. And maybe the title refers to prime being the fallen who would get revenge?

  50. Probably because it will be the highest grossing movie of the year (and one of the highest ever) and it’s fun. And basically, because there are so many holes in it, we want to find out who lands in what hole. Go with the flow, bro.

  51. I have a question:

    Did anyone else hear one of the Twins drop the N-word when Bumblebee tosses them out of the temple thing? I’ve had two different friends say that they heard it.

  52. 1)

    The Movie reason:

    Perhaps they meant to say only the original Primes need to be killed by another Prime, Optimus is a descendant from these originals and not as strong, but good enough to meet the “Prime” requirement.

    The Real reason:

    The whole bit about “only a Prime can kill a Prime” was just something they threw in to make an uninteresting villain seem like a threat, but the way Optimus used him as his own personal hand puppet would suggest even the twins could have pwn’d the Fallen.

    2)

    The Movie Reason:

    The twins don’t really fight Devastator, they comically run around and get tossed about like typical slapstick characters. And the twins never fought Bumblebee, Bumblebee just grabbed them and tossed outside because, like the rest of us, he became annoyed with them.

    The Real Reason:

    Like it or not, Skids and Mudflap are the new stars of Transformers 2, with as much screen time and dialog as any other Autobot. Might as well have them fight the biggest new Decepticon, Devastator, completely ruining any credibility Devastator had.

    3)

    The Movie Reason:

    Leo is there just so that can bring back the Simmons character, since Leo would be the one person to have the connections, how conveeeenient he just happens to be his new college roommate.

    The Real Reason:

    They needed a screaming hysterical comic relief character, since they couldn’t figure out a reason to bring back Anthony Anderson’s character.

  54. WORST MOVIE OF THE DECADE

    Question #1: Reason number 85 this movie fucking blows

    Question #2: Fucking reason number 86 this movie licked balls

    Question #3: He is there to scream and yell and make 15 to 23 year olds laugh and say “Hey look at him hes scared and its funny they way he screams and yells…..”

    WORST MOVIE OF THE DECADE

  55. In transformers lore, Megatron and Optimus were brothers leading the transformers race until Megatron went power hungry.

    This means that Megatron is actually a Prime. Hence Megatron killing Optimus fits perfectly with what Jetfire says about only a Prime killing a Prime.

  56. The answers to these questions aren’t so much answers but just excuses to a shotty poorly written script.

    1) because the plot wasn’t thought out properly

    2) because it was a poorly written script

    3) um I didn’t mind Leo too much…he was annoying in the beginning, but later on in the film he served his purpose as the coward reaction to the situations in the film, because I can imagine some people being scared shitless when surrounded by giant robots destorying everything in their path. Plus everyone else in the film seems to be brave, so its good to have that contrast and have a character who acts the coward, if anything…just to be comic relief. So the idea of Leo was right, but the execution was off.

    1. I agree with your first two points. Your third point seems logical on it’s own, but considering your first two answers, I wouldn’t give the writers so much credit as to them having thought out Leo’s purpose as the non-hero.

    2. yup – I guess I was giving them too much credit on Leos role. If anything they just wanted him to jump around and act the fool, and thought they would get some laughs out of it.

      Even though the writers did poorly throughout the film, they did present a couple of good ideas (eg NEST) they just weren’t fleshed out enough to warrant any praise.

    3. Im sorry- i think you just brought up a BIG important point

      If this shit REALLY went down there wouldnt be any of this crap going on:

      “If well go well do it together!”
      “Dad ill handle this! Its my destiny!”

      No- okay, everyone will fucking PANIC.
      The army dudes? yeah, theyd piss their pants too, theyre human too, theyre not like the autobots like Bay seemd to make them look

      The whole “Please dont kill me! AAAAGHHH!!! I JUST DONT WANNA DIE!!! JUST DONT HURT ME!!” thing leo was doing, would be what wed all be doing in this movie….not:

      “Leave optimus alone! Take this megatron!!”
      :::thrusts cube into the 50 foot robots chest:::

    4. But of course if it was THAT realistic the movie would have ended in 3 minutes and the Autobots would be history.

      I would predict that if that REALLY happened, Ironhide, Volt, Mudflap and Ratchet would switch to the decepticons. since theyre the smart ones.

      (Hey mudflap is a smart guy in the show)

  57. I hated this movie too.
    Question 1: I can’t explain either
    Question 2: Cant’ explain
    Queston 3: Just to find simmons (which is stupid) and after that to be stunned and then 2 seconds later get out of the car. Tell me how that works?

  58. 1) They meant that only a Prime would have the necessary skills to possibly BE ABLE to kill a Prime – but Megatron proves otherwise. They don’t mean that it absolutely impossible to kill a Prime if you’re not a Prime, but that you stand very little chance (at great disadvantage unless you have serious backup). It’s the double-meaning to the sentence here that we need to watch out for.

    2) The Twins were not tough in the way they defeated Devastator, they were just opportunistic and clever because despite his intimidating vaccum mouth – Devastator was just way too big and way too slow. Remember the Ewoks killing the Scout Walkers in Return of the Jedi? Way smaller and wimpier and just using ingenuity, but that doesn’t mean an Ewok can defeat Vader one-on-one.

    3) They put him in there so that at least one character is not accustomed to the Transformers and makes some overwhelming “HOLY SHIT” reactions to what’s going on – which is always important in a movie like that so that we share a feeling of awe towards whatever’s going on. He was also bad comic relief – although every single character in this movie except for Prime and Megatron ended up being bad comic relief. Nevertheless, every major blockbuster has the one character who’s never been exposed to what is going on and feels very overwhelmed. Otherwise, the action scenes tend to lose their ‘hmph’ a little bit when nobody is keeping their cool. But it could have been worse John – it could have been Dakota Fanning…

  59. 1. In the first movie, Prime refers to Megatron as “brother” – so maybe Megatron is a Prime, second cousin twice removed.

    2. The Twins didn’t take down Devastator, that rail gun did. If I recall correctly, the Twins merely annoyed Devastator – he still climbed the pyramid.

    3. Leo was useless.

  60. 1) Something called Stasis Lock (read: an induced hibernation of sorts), to add to which Seth Rex commented above. Which unfortunately you have to read the supplementary material (i.e.,novelization), to make that connection. Which I don’t agree with, in terms of having important details like that left out of the actual film, that you then have to proactively seek.

    2) Seeing that the Twins are not all up there in the noggin and each share 50% of one spark, it’s not so much as if they couldn’t do anything to Bumblebee. But more like unruly kids getting scolded by a bigger brother. But when it came time to flex their true potential, they worked in unison against Devastator. Which, if you hadn’t noticed, didn’t do much to stop him from going up the pyramid either.

    3) You pretty much answered yourself on this one. He’s basically a plot device up until a point (which is to basically find Simmons), and then really becomes useless, aside for the debatable comedy relief. (getting stunned, etc.)

  61. 1. The funny thing is I had a conversation about this with a co-worker a few days ago … my theory comes to the fact that (I saw someone mentioned it above) is that he is a descendant so he might not be as powerful and, it seems that Megatron blindsided him, like a sneak attack, but only a theory and perceived as what i Saw.

    2. The Twins thing … no clue

    3. I didn’t see no other purpose for Leo but being some side character that got to much time … the only thing he did was lead him to agent simmons

  62. Ok – they go looking for ancient Transformers at the National Air & Space Museum in D.C., and they explicitly say D.C. is their destination. However, when Jetfire breaks down the door they are clearly nowhere near the east coast as the sky is dominated by red rock formations and desert sands instead of the Washington cityscape – yet another example Michael Bay’s disregard for good scripts and accurate geography

    1. Exactly! I couldn’t figure out this scene either it looks as if Bay dropped the National Air & Space Museum into Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tuscon, Arizona. The base where all the inactive planes go to rest it’s also known as the “Boneyard”.

    2. well one of them said they could smell decepticons. the human had some device that detected them, i would assume that would be built into the autobots.

      but really I’m sure there are at least 100 questions that you can ask about this movie. i get mad when ever i start to ask myself these type of questions. many intelligent people worked on this movie with obvious plot holes, they had to realize at some point but didn’t respect the audience enough to fix them.

  64. Question 1- just a theory but maybe that only applies to the original Primes and because Optimus is just a descendant then he isnt quite as “immortal” as the Fallen
    Question 2- because bumblebee got the drop on them…they wouldnt expect a fellow autobot to attack them but they need to defend themselves and the humans from devastator
    Question 3- comedic relief (although he failed at that)

  65. I know Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen has its share of errors, but one that I have yet to find mentioned in any of the messageboards I’ve visited is this one that I noticed today on my second viewing. First off, some typical messages I’ve seen:

    – Oh, how did the parents appear in Egypt all of a sudden!?!? (SOMEBODY slept through a scene in France, apparently)
    – Blow up the Sun!?!?!? That would kill everyone, including them!!! (Maybe the Transformers can survive in space? But that one is tricky)

    But what I have yet to see mentioned is HOW in the world can you hear Soundwave talking…..in space?!?!?! I mean, it would’ve made more sense to see him speaking in translated Cybertronian (like Starscream does in the film); I know, I know, a fan service so that we can hear Welker voice Soundwave (thank you, Bay!!!!), but still…..it only made sense when he calls Judy Witwicky to ask for Sam…

  66. 1) I know this isn’t stated as such in the movie, but the way I see it, only a Prime can kill an ORIGINAL Prime. Maybe that’s the explanation; or maybe, as someone else pointed out before me, The Fallen was just prone to immense hyperbole

    2) C’mon, they were just goofing around (like they do 90% the movie; I liked them, by the way, but that was what they were doing…up until the end). They aren’t going to whip out guns on a fellow Autobot.

    3) Sam > LEO > Simmons (and Wheelie) > Jetfire > Matrix of Leadership. Aside from that, he was just there for comedic purposes.

  67. 1) Megatron didn’t kill him. I know it seems stupid that it won’t explain it in the film, but if you read the novel, it states that Optimus actually went into a lockdown mode. This is so that his wounds could heal. But it would take a VERY long time to do so. But in the movie it’s not actually stated so people would obviously think he was dead.

    2) That’s simple. Yeah the Twins are badass, but even the toughest have their lesser moments. And we’re talking about Devestator, who can really not do much at that moment. You have to take into account that he’d just swallowed up Mudflap, and it’s thought that he’s dead. But then he’s able to bust out of devestator. If you watch the scene again, you actually can indeed see that the Twins don’t do much against Devestator besides him braeking out, and shooting him a few times.

    3) Leo was the one that was questioning the government. He also was a sort of window as to how the government was hiding the autobots and the fact that these beings exist. We have obviously the militaristic version in Eps and such. Leo is the non military side to it. He’s the one that was trying to show the world that these beings exist.

    1. 1) That’s all well and good but what about the people who didn’t read the novel or prequel comic? It’s the film maker’s responsibility to convey what’s happening on screen, and clearly we’re told Optimus is dead. There’s no mention of a lock-down mode or hibernation. And that’s my beef: the average film goer shouldn’t have to read the comic/novel in order to understand certain segments of the movie. Novel aside, as the movie stands, in my mind, this is a plot-hole.

    2. If Prime is in “lock-Down” mode that’s fine and I suppose that it makes sense except it creates another minor plot hole…..presumabley Autobots are aware of their own anatomy…doesn’t this make Ratchet like the worst doctor in the galaxy???

      Prime dies, the cons retreat and the Autobots move in…..Ratchet can’t tell Prime is in lockdown mode??……If he can tell shouldn’t he be feverishly working on repairing him? If he can’t….I don’t think I want to go to any Autobot hospitals if i’m a bot….I might pass out and they’ll scrap me for parts. :)

  68. 1- Maybe I’M mis-remembering something but did the movie say at any point that the Fallen was a Prime? I thought he said that only a Prime can kill his kind, are they the same kind? Isn’t Prime a separate race from the Fallen?

    2- The writers/Michael Bay didn’t think of that. They were too busy blowing stuff up.

    3- Leo is just a plot device to get us to Turturro’s character.

  69. Question 1: He was brought back, so he was never completely dead? Maybe Megatron is secretly a prime and Bay didn’t have his head screwed on right when he did that.

    Question 2: What Derek said. They weren’t gonna’ fight Devastator. On top of that, the good guys almost ALWAYS win in movies like this.

    Question 3: Tons of movies have characters that serve no purpose. Mr. Blue in Reservoir Dogs didn’t REALLY need to be there, but they added him. They could’ve just kept him out and it would’ve been the same movie, kind of. You know what I mean? Maybe it was just for some comic relief even though there wasn’t any of that.

  70. 1- When Jetfire says “Only a Prime can Kill a Prime” it istn THAT litteral
    Sure, if you put 50 non prime Autobots against the fallen, hell die. What he meant was that eventually, fate must lead to Optimus killing the Fallen
    I mean, he DID say that the Matrix MUST be found, right? thats his MISSION, but at the end, what was the REAL message?
    “The Matrix is not found, it is earned”
    So maybe what he meant by that is that it was fate that lead to Optimus killing The Fallen.

    But a person like me, who is very narrow minded would use the argument that 30 autobots in a room could destroy the Fallen, but if you believe in fate, which IS a major factor in this movie, then it all comes down to Optimus DESTINY to kill The Fallen, and Sams DESTINY to find the matrix and bring back Optimus

    2- They were just playing around, Autobots are known for their bravery and being noble when in danger in front of Decepticons (who are usually better, but theyre cowards)

    3- The Twins are important. Mudflaps is the Autobots Scientist and Skids is their Reconnaissance officer
    Leo leads him to Simons meat place.
    The twins find the Matrix.

    1. No… Jetfire quite literally meant ONLY a Prime can kill The Fallen. He emphasized that when he asked if Sam knew any living Primes.

      It’s also why The Fallen stayed on the base until he felt that the last Prime was dead. THEN he felt it was ok to go to earth.

    2. Hey John, you know what? In stale popcorn . com i saw a review from this other web site that pointed out THIS real plothole:

      Bear with me…

      When the constructicons went to the Abyss to get Megatron the submarine guy says

      “Theres 5 bogeys diving fast”

      and then in the bottom they kill one Decepticon to bring back megatron

      5-1= 4 plus megatron = 5

      When they came back up the guy said

      “WOah! now there 6!”

      Math failure, sure, its minor, but this guy found it.

    3. John

      Yeah but The Fallen doesnt believe in fate, the whole “the matrix is earned not found” was something he could have laughed at, hes narrow minded, he thinks like a decepticon

      Or else he would be looking for the matrix, he would be cracking his brains in a comfortable chair trying to figure out how to “earn” it

    5. Me and a friend of mine actually caught that little math error while watching the film, but it was so minor that I had completely forgotten about it until now

    6. When he says “now there are 6” its pretty obvious that the other Con they sacrifice to bring Megs back is still pinging on their radar/sonar.

      Its not like they stopped reading his ping just because his spark was snuffed.

    7. GOOD point Rodney, okay…

      I didnt think of that lolol

      Maybe the submarines were all spark aware?? xD

      When i go watch it for the 4th time ill see if the radar has 6 or 5 and if he says “6 bogeys coming up” or “theres 6 bogeys”

      My friend said that the doctor didnt count on the way down but did on the way up…but i dont think thats it….

    1. Ya actually this question really bugged me. At the end of the first film bumblebee finally gets his voice back, and for some reason in the next film he dosn’t have it any more.

    3. Bee uses the voice thing as a gimmick. In the end of T1, he has a voice and requests to stay with Sam as his Guardian. We hear him speak.

      His lack of a voice is mentioned and Sam says Bee is “milking it” implying he can talk but does it just for fun.

  72. Question #1-Maybe when the Fallen says that he is just being vain. Maybe anyone can kill a Prime but the Primes, and The Fallen, are just alot more powerful then normal Transformers, like the elder Vampires in Underworld, so it’s difficult for a normal Transformer to kill a Prime but it can be done. Like Optimus was killed by Megatron, but only because he was weakened.
    The Fallen was alot more powerful then a normal Transformer and because of that believed that he could not be killed by anyone except a Prime.

  73. Question #1-Plot Hole I can’t explain that
    Question #2-The Twins don’t want to kick the crap out of Bumblebee and don’t expect Bumblebee to attack them and just take the hit from Bumblebee like you would from a sibling if you were being a douche. When they’re against Devastator they are on their guard showing off/protecting the humans. And they are alot smaller then Devastator and, just like the empire, they don’t think anything of a minor threat such as the Twins.
    (BTW I hate the Twins more then the ewoks)
    Question #3- He didn’t serve a purpose.

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